i question the legitimacy of this person.

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i question the legitimacy of this person. he made a deal with me in writing and then decides later that trbetr will show him how to kinect qc to a tryplex because trbetr will be in Switzerland ironically at the same time his expose is and that he is concerned about the gas money it cost for me to fly out.

it makes no sense to me if this guy was really part of some design school and read my resume he would see i'm partners in a design firm with the worlds most famous designer at the moment guvreel thrggn? who actually happens to be on the lecture circuit at the moment.

its like i'm a personal designer for a designer that makes designs for other famous designers. i mean i'm not about reference dropping or anything but you would think a design school professor would not turn down an opportunity like the one i told him.

i told him i'm not concerned about how much money you have in your budget i will do this for free offer. honestly this guys letter gave me a nauseous feeling. i really think he is out to just find someone that will explain to him how to use the kinect over the internet so he can teach his students how to use it or something.

my nda has finally lifted so am able to tell people what i have been doing for the past ten years. i did however forget to mention to this to the guy i was partners in a design firm that manufactures structural art like he is trying to make.

if your going to pay someone 1000 francs a day you would have thought he may have taken the time out of his schedule to read my resume and find this information out.

either way i'm just warning anybody that responds to this post this was my experience dealing with the man.

it was a "i will fly you out i pay everyone a flat rate of 1000 francs per day as the business side of things is simple, do you accept". mind you i have all this in writing. of course i accepted.

the guy makes the lamest excuse i have herd in the book on he wants to infringe our contract.

i really do expect an honest reply back from this man out of interdisciplinary respect something other than his ecological foot print. the last i herd it was the solar system that is heating up not only the earth. surly we don't drive our suvs on other planets ?

im sorry i have to many important world changing projects to work on than to let trbetr gbyrqb rain on my parade again.

i just wanted to warn people about this guy. he may be whom he says he is, my email box is cluttered right now with nda's from all kinds of other kinect projects people are offering me as i did not have to research who this guy is.

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dust's picture
Re: i question the legitimacy of this person.

you can fool some people some of the time but you can not fool all the people all the time. is all i have to say. i'm a good person trying to good things for people this man made an offer i accepted so started preparing material for him. i'm new to all this qc dev working stuff. hey i just started qc like last year. before qc i made art.

i suppose there is a lesson for me to be learned here. don't work for people unless they send you money. i just like helping people as i help many people with qc projects for free.

the worst part is this guy asked me about trbetr and i told him nothing of tg and my drama because thats the tpye of person i am. its seems like tg isn't that type of person as after talking with tg this guy faults on a contract with me so in my mind although i have no proof tg must have talked shit about me again.

im not mad at him survival is tough you need to be an ass if you want to be in business.

this whole thing make me question if i want anything to do with the educational community as far as work is concerned.

i all ready lecture college right now so this is no big deal but i do it as an undergraduate so that means i design curriculum and do not get paid to do this. so why do i do it well its because i have good intentions.

dust's picture
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there actually should be section for these types posts. like the way unity does it on there forums collaboration section. the disclaimer should read something like.

Quote:
About Collaboration

You don't like me and I don't like you, but we'll have to work together on this one.

This is what the users of the Collaboration board often say although, admittedly, they do like each other sometimes.

Yes, Collaboration is the place to find other people to work with, on a commercial or hobby basis, we care not which. It is a board often used by businesses seeking freelance coders/artists, and vice versa. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy - you must be cautious. But for those who can survive this harsh environment, Collaboration can be the key to finding fellow Unitoids with complementary skills. And complementary skills make great games. Go for it, Spider-friends!

dust's picture
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i feel bad about me ranting like this. in my current isolation entropic pressure has taken its natural course with my life right now. i honestly had a really good feeling about but i'm really confused as to whom is who and what is going on right now.

i posted somethings on the internet and all of sudden all kinds of people are throwing secret projects at me. i'm new to developing but i had a real good feeling about this guy even though i thought a thousand francs a day was to good to be true my therapist told me thats really not that much when you think about and made a valid point.

so i started to believe this guy was for real.

i have other offers that that sound to good to be true as well in my in box. actually mind boggling and astronomically huge offers of collaboration that you wouldn't believe if i told you so i'm glad i cant even tell you.

is my moral here if its to good to be true than its not true. well i just got started. and to anyone else who just started and studies my kinect patches there is huge potential in computer developing and do not give up as it is only a brave new world.

SteveElbows's picture
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Here is my business tip. Dont rant in public about such things, it doesnt do you any good, especially when much of it is unsubstantiated.

gtoledo3's picture
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I saw a discussion a post from the fellow, and replied, describing my experience with QC and the kinect. That is all.

dust's picture
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un substantiated i have substantial proof of this man breaking written agreed upon contract he had had with me.

is that what you are asking for is proof ? when you talk substantiation you are talking litigation. i have enough proof to sue this man man in america i don't know where your from steve or anybody else around these boards for that matter but people do not conduct business like that where i am from.

i said i was not mad at trbetr in the business world people are sharks. i would like to believe that trbetr didn't say anything ill about me as when this man asked about trbetr work i said he was talented and that i looked forward to meeting him one day. so if you ask me i did trbetr a favor.

you may not have been around here on kineme the last year but trbetr goes out of his way flame me any chance he gets.

if you don't believe any of this is true and its unsubstantiated i'm sorry you are fool steve elbows an an body else who questions the legitimacy of my allegations.

i'm not taking your business advice steve as i'm not in the quartz composer business nor do i want to be or even share anything with the people of this community if they are all back stabbing ass holes. there are a few exceptions to people i have had contact with on this board.

its like i try and help people for free and share my projects with this community particularly. every time i try an help someone on this board. i get flamed out by trbetr gbyrqb. now i'm getting hate from other people whom i don't know.

i don't like this and if this is how you people are then i'm sorry but a community of disrespectful people does not warrant my time or effort.

sure i rant on here but from my perspective i'm trying to help someone i don't know by warning them about this man.

i suppose maybe your right why do i want to help another person i do no know out.

when i first came to this community people where posting files sharing them modifying things helping people with problems. i thought this was a thriving community of like minded artists trying to help each other out. i wanted to be a part of that community spirit.

so this whole rant is about something more now and its called respect. if your all a bunch of back stabbing code stealing for profit types, i am sad for you. i would rather not have my name associated with a community like that.

all i do is try to help people here and i will not stand to be disrespected by a hater like trbetr gbyrqb every post i make. its obvious trbetr an our intentions are different.

if there is anybody on these boards that appreciates my contributions to this website say your peace in my defense. otherwise wise posting things for me on this board is pointless.

you can all relax i'm not going to offer any of time in collaboration with anybody posting here again so you can all relax i'm not going to try and take any of the money waterfall this website generates for people in this community.

i collaborate with some some most influential designers in the world. i do qc for fun if your don't believe me your an idiot.

its a sad day for me as i really love kineme but i don't like being hated on when i'm trying to help people.

SteveElbows's picture
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Oh get a grip man, you are not going to get any respect with posts like that.

vade's picture
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This. Do you think anyone would want to work seriously with someone who rants like this?

I don't. It looks amazingly unprofessional.

SteveElbows's picture
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I mean seriously, how dare you start throwing allegations at another member of the community, and then act like you are the one who is being hard-done by when a 3rd party such as myself suggests that your long rants arent doing you any favours.

I stand by my advice, in business it sends a poor message about you if you air your dirty laundry in public, and to start accusing other people of things which nobody else is in a position to judge either way.

You've received a lot of attention on other sites for your Kinect demos, which is very nice, its a shame you couldnt just be happy with that instead of going off on one with classic symptoms of grandiose delusions and paranoia.

vade's picture
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P.S., there is a mostly unused portion of this site dedicated to jobs.

http://kineme.net/forum/Discussion/Jobs

SteveElbows's picture
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Im sorry about my tone in that last post, but I am nothing short of disgusted by your use of terms like back-stabbing and code-stealing.

There is no evidence of this, or at least none that is easy for anyone else to judge. So dont throw such emotive terms around. You yourself have said that you would like to believe that Trbetr didnt say anything negative about you, so why have you reached the opposite conclusion and made these public accusations without proof?

I dont understand what your history with some top design guru has to do with anything, and dont start ranting that people dont believe you - theres no way for me to judge and I dont care either way, its irrelevant.

dust's picture
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Well I'm sorry steve I don't mean to come at you. I dint want to be brought to this hypocritical level I have been brought. This poor man zvfpun has been brought into Tbretr and my drama and I feel real bad. I want to believe Trbetr and even this Zvfpun. My work references come with very influential contact information. As my co collaborations are private people that live in very public world that are constantly judged. So i demand a certain level of respect from co collaborative work. I don't know what to say if you think me being partners in a design firm with the worlds most famous designer irrelevant contextually to doing work with a design school. I am confused. I bring this up because i don't just hand my resume and references out.

My comments of all you being retched vile scum are not true as there are some wonderful people on these boards as I can hang but I just deserve a certain amount of respective if you want to collaborate with me. I am an honest truthful good person that comes offering my advice for what ever it's worth to you.

dust's picture
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lol. i really have to apologize again. i am under a tremendous amount of manic stress at the moment. i just started developing. I have been lots of crazy offers for coding work. and it is something i enjoy. so i got overly excited because this is something i enjoy doing a great deal. isn't the point in life to enjoy your work. its not often someone gets an offers so i got overly excited here i guess. i don't know what to say its entirely its like for second i lost all respect for vade but now my respect for him is back as im proud of him because he voices his opinion. i admired what he is doing even if he doesn't like me.

i think for now i'm going to just deal with offers of collaboration with people that i speak to through linkedin. the whole thing just feels weird to me as for the last decade i worked for only one benefactor.

dust's picture
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agreed i should get my own blog for rants like this.

dust's picture
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toneburst's picture
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I think just avoiding ranting about people on the web completely is probably the best policy, generally-speaking. Good luck with the coding career though. Sounds exciting.

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dwskau's picture
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In some professions, this type of rant can invalidate existing contracts or even get you sued regardless of how deserved the rant is.

dust's picture
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hey thanks for the advice this was rather un-cooth thread but was needed. kineme has expressed interest in me still continuing to contribute to this website. you can thank them. for now i'm not down with discussions if i am unable to help people without being flamed.